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Post by mikey on Sept 13, 2013 21:23:15 GMT -5
So I'm back, and I've been itching to get a good dark angels list made. The problem is that I'm missing quite a bit of the good stuff in this list, but it's progress from what I started with. The biggest problem I ran into when making this list was I have no clue what any guard stuff is /does, so I couldn't spend any spare points on some of that stuff, and that is the reason the command team is taking 50 points of plasma. So here it is.
Azrael – 215 Command Squad, Banner of devastation. 3 plasma guns, meltabomb – 215
10 man tactical squad, plasma gun, plasma cannon - 170 10 man tactical squad, plasma gun, plasma cannon - 170 10 man tactical squad, plasma gun, plasma cannon - 170
Dreadnaught W/ 2 twin linked autocannons - 120 Dreadnaught W/ 2 twin linked autocannons - 120 Dreadnaught W/ 2 twin linked autocannons - 120
Land Raider Crusader – 250
Allies Primaris psyker (divination) – 70
Platoon command squad with 5 infantry squads – 280
Aegis Defense line w/ quad gun - 100
Total - 2000
The intention of this is for the command team to go in the land raider to get protection and a ton of shots with all the bolters, as the bulk of the army sits back. Azrael goes around with the IG blob because he gives a 4++, along with the psyker to buff them and just make them as annoying as possible, stopping anything that can cause issues, and in general do IG blob things. The Dreds are there for a longer range shot, even though they aren't as great anymore. For my list I want to make an army that has lots of shooting, but I really like Azrael and the IG blob. I think I have a good amount of weak shooting and decent AP 2, but not enough stuff to take out anything large. If I fight another land raider, there are 2 things in the list that have a chance of killing it. Any criticism towards making this list better is very appreciated.
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Post by apothecarybob on Sept 16, 2013 10:03:07 GMT -5
First thing first is that the primaris psyker cannot take divination. Dark Angels can get divinations, so why not get rid of a tactical squad and pick up one for roughly the same points? The guard blob already gets you a bunch of scoring dudes. I think the guard blob would also benefit from some plasma or melta as well as power axes for some CC punch, maybe even a commissar for morale support if you don't put Azrael into the squad. If you put the command squad into the crusader, you are wasting a bunch of points on the plasma. Get rid of them so that when the tank dies, they can still utilize the banner to its fullest.
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Post by mikey on Sept 16, 2013 12:38:20 GMT -5
I didn't know that about the primaris, so I guess I will get a dark angel one. The only reason why the command squad had plasma was I had quite a few spare points. I played grady using this list on Saturday and there were some things I know I can change. First of all I should drop the land raider, it attracts a lot of shooting, so it's not worth it's points. Additionally I'm not aggressive enough with the marines, so I don't need 3 units. I can drop 1 unit and get a psyker. I think I need to find a good form of anti armor, as I lack anything above strength 7. If I remove the land raider, and a tactical squad, and I get a psyker, I'll have about 285 spare points if I go for ezekiel, although at that point then I'm spamming characters and feel cheaty. With those 285 or so points spare, I have several options open that I would like to try and spend on anti armor, but maybe something that shoots a lot to deal with any big groups.
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Post by apothecarybob on Sept 16, 2013 13:41:57 GMT -5
With the spare points, you can get a company command squad for your IG HQ (its only 50pts) and it goes a long way. Or you can get a lord commissar and have a badass instead. The land raider with the banner of devestation is nice, but one land raider out of 4 total vehicles (where the other 3 don't do comparatively as much) is going to die over and over again. If you like the land raider, get another and camp both next to each other to both benefit from the banner. If you do that, also get a tech marine with the power field generator so that you can get a 4++ on the raiders. Honestely, dark angels got the shaft of the marine pole where they dont have much going for them.
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Post by bob on Sept 16, 2013 13:42:31 GMT -5
guard blob should have power axes and melta bombs on the sgts
the banner of dev is wasted in there with so little shooting...why bother?
if you want to use it, get ravenwing or three Land Raider Crusaders.
everyone in the world has cover ignoring shots...drop the ADL
troops troops and more troops. winning the mission wins games.
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Post by mikey on Sept 17, 2013 16:24:03 GMT -5
I think I just like the banner to much, but it seems to not do much of anything, more of a waste of points than I would like. The ADL is there to provide some form of AA, as I have no reliable other way, and I don't want to waste all my dreads shooting birds. I liked the IG blob and see what you mean, they were stuck in combat for a long time, so I can add that. At least during my game I realized what I liked, vs what I should drop, so it's progress.
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Post by bob on Sept 18, 2013 8:17:11 GMT -5
The Dev Banner is great if your list is built around using it. With yours it's really just the one LRC that's getting any benefit. Drop the banner or add more LRC (or Ravenwing!!)
What kind of fliers are you worried about? Let me put that another way...what kind of fliers that you're worried about are scared of your four S7 shots? Not saying it's bad, nto at all, but you could live without.
Why'd you have to make a new profile? Did you forget your password?
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Post by mikey on Sept 21, 2013 12:31:42 GMT -5
I think I'll drop the banner, I like it a lot, but I don't feel confident enough in building a list around 1 banner that can be sniped.
As for fliers that I'm worried about are the ones that are armor 11 or 10, which I am confident in the ability to kill. I understand that I won't be killing any helldrakes, easily at least, but at the very least I can scare some stuff. Would it be worth getting one of those jet fighters to shoot down any enemy fliers?
And I had to make a new profile because when I tried to log in it was telling me to agree to some non-existent terms and conditions.
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Post by bob on Sept 23, 2013 7:43:48 GMT -5
If the banner is inside a LRC, it's not getting sniped.
Absolutely do not spend points on that fighter that will die and do nothing, please.
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Post by apothecarybob on Sept 23, 2013 9:34:46 GMT -5
I think the fighters look cool, but they arent good unless you take the stasis one against a horde army. But thats a shot in a million and not worth it in the end
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Post by Tim on Sept 23, 2013 14:10:20 GMT -5
I think you should go with 31 terminators and 2 venerable dreads!
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