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Post by Dr Carnivean on Apr 10, 2009 9:06:26 GMT -5
Oh, and to answer your question, Evan, a manticore is a mythological creature like a griffin, hippogriff, or chimera. Lke those three, it's basically an amalgam of different creatures. In this case it has the body of a lion, face of a man, bat-like wings, and a scorpion tail. The warriors and chaos and dark elves both have it in their lists, although back in 5th ed, any army could take one. The older model that I have was actually the mount of an uncead special character. I have the newer one with the dark elf beastmaster as well, and while I like the sculpt and the dramatic pose, the older one I thought looked more like what a manticore should, with the pronounced scorpion tail. I think they really missed the boat not including them in the Beasts of Chaos codex. I think they left some things out because at that time they figured that you just could use hordes of chaos to get your flying mount or furies (beastmen used to have harpies in their list before the beasts of chaos book) but then when they went and redid the WoC and DoC and left the beasts out in the cold, their air support and large monster mounts got totally nixed. I think you can still make a good list with them, but there are much less options currently for what kind of a list you can make.
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Post by RodTheCid on Apr 10, 2009 9:20:12 GMT -5
The Manticore is a like a small dragon and according to mythology with human like head, although in the GW version the head is more like a lion head Edit: Too late, didn't see Dr C. answer
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Post by bob on Apr 10, 2009 11:58:31 GMT -5
Oh no, no psychological warfare here...I think this is an extremely hard list.
Minimum core. All shooting (80 crossbow shots per turn!!!) Two RBT. Three terror-causers. Two dragons. Two flying units. Points-denial gunline.
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Post by Dr Carnivean on Apr 10, 2009 12:21:11 GMT -5
I threw in the manticore because I wanted an excuse to finally finish the model, and if I had taken the dragon out, I wouldn't have been able to make the 2250, but basically I only put together the list from the models I knew I had. I think the no casters is a glaring weakness which any other army could exploit. I wonder how your Khornecows would do against the other armies I could have brought. I'll have to post the lists this weekend so you can check them out. Skaven I couldn't field at 2000. The tomb kings and chaos dwarves I think your army could take out much easier. I think the khorne cows would definitely have an advantage there. My beast army would have been an interesting fight, and I defintely want to have a big beast battle once you're done painting. My new warriors of chaos list I haven't tried out at all yet so it's tough to say - i guess we'll see this summer! Daemons would be a tough fight - I think both armies would be evenly matched. The Kingdom of the Zombies.. actually I think the Kingdom stacks up against the Khornecows even better than the dark elves list. Almost as many big scary things plus 9 power dice of magic that don't target the enemy so gets around the Khorne magic resistance.
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Post by bob on Apr 10, 2009 13:07:09 GMT -5
I disagree, I think the Khornecows wreck the Zombie Kingdom. The Mark of Khorne doesn't give MR, it gives Dispel Dice. Moloch's Stamped has 11 dispel dice. You wouldn't be casting much. It has enough fear-causing high-output stuff to tar-pit your tar-pits (does that even make sense?!), while allowing maneuvering to get to the soft-stuff (the carts). As I said before, I don't think you could intentionally come up with a list to exploit Moloch's weaknesses (vulnerability to ranged fire and low leadership) more effectively than this DE list. If I live past turn 3 I'll consider it a moral victory!
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Post by Dr Carnivean on Apr 10, 2009 13:42:47 GMT -5
Ah okay - I didn't realize it was different than MR. I thought they got what the bloodletters and stuff had. That's pretty cool because you don't even need to have casters. Now that I think of that, I think you mentioned that on the Khorne Cows list, but I forgot :-) No, you're right - a VC army with banshees would probably be more successful than my zombie army since the tar pits wouldn't last long without the casting. I wouldn't say they would wreck them - the low leadership might still give them trouble with the fear tests and the big nasty things in the army don't need the casting to be dangerous - but the tar pits definitely would crumble within a turn or two of combat, and it would be up to the Prince of Zombies to score a lot of points quick before the attrition started to kick in. Thinking again about the Tomb Kings, it occured to me that the Casket of Souls would be absolutely deadly against an army of small units with low leadership, but again, with the 11 dispel dice you'd be able to guarantee it never went off.
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Post by bob on Apr 10, 2009 14:29:30 GMT -5
Most of the Stampede cause fear, so aren't bothered with your silly zombies. The Terror will be Fear, but you "only" have two of those in the Zombies
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Post by g on Apr 10, 2009 14:58:15 GMT -5
Wow! what to do against all those shooty-pointy eared guys?
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Post by Dr Carnivean on Apr 10, 2009 15:01:25 GMT -5
Yeah well good luck with trying to digest my 'silly zombies'. There aren't enough Tums in the universe to handle a herd of minotaurs with indigestion ;D
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Post by bob on Apr 10, 2009 15:03:59 GMT -5
A good question, G!
I think what I should do is beat up a bunch of Brettonians and steal their armour!
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Post by shasoevan on Apr 10, 2009 20:56:59 GMT -5
GW changing the chaos book is what made me go with Tau. I was going to go with the Iron warriors for my first army but they took away all the special rules. Since I was looking for a shooty army, Tau was going to have to do. I have just recently started my chaos list in hopes that the iron warriors will get some rules back.
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Post by Dr Carnivean on Apr 10, 2009 20:58:14 GMT -5
Yeah I know what you mean - I had painted up four defilers back when they had the Iron Warriors rules
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Post by RodTheCid on Apr 10, 2009 23:21:44 GMT -5
what? I tought the conversation was about Dr. C's DE
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Post by bob on Apr 11, 2009 0:03:25 GMT -5
I was confused too, Ehecatl The DE were extremely potent! I'm going to be seeking revenge....perhaps the Daemons will have to come out of retirement...or maybe Shaggus will have to take the field!
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Post by g on Apr 11, 2009 9:34:29 GMT -5
Am I right to understand that DE won over Fred and his buddies??
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