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Post by Dr Carnivean on Apr 26, 2009 17:27:20 GMT -5
Okay here's my redone beast herd. 2000 Point Beasts of Chaos Army[/u] 232 - Goretongue Blighthooves (doombull) Heavy Armor & Slaughterer's Blade 94 - Deathstamp (wargor) Sword of Might, Extra Hand Weapon, Chaos Armor 114 - Blightfire (wargor) Battle Standard Bearer, Heavy Armor, Vitriollic Totem 131 - Screaming Clouds (bray shaman) x2 Dispel Scrolls, Braystaff 136 - Beast Herd (11 gors & 6 ungors) Foe Render, Standard, & Musician 152 - x3 Minotaurs Bloodkine, 2nd Hand Weapon 152 - x3 Minotaurs Bloodkine, 2nd Hand Weapon 85 - Tuskgor Chariot 146 - x3 Chaos Ogres Big Chaos Ogre, Heavy Armor, 2nd Hand Weapon 220 - x4 Chaos Trolls 225 - Chaos Giant Mutant Monstrosity 306 - ShaggothLight Armor & Great Weapon
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Post by Dr Carnivean on Apr 26, 2009 17:58:03 GMT -5
With the exception of the doombull, I put all the characters in the beast herd. In a 2250 army I would probably add in a unit of pestigors with Flesh Banner and would give the wargor the mark of nurgle and throw him in there as well. For 3000 points I put in another troll, 3 dragon ogres, a level 4 shaman in a chariot, and another wargor, another ogre, and add a another magic level to my level one shaman.
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Post by Dr Carnivean on Apr 28, 2009 19:51:15 GMT -5
What, no love for Goretongue Blighthooves and his herd of beastmen? Yeah, four pages of responses to Bob's Khornecows but nothing for my BoC - I see how it is now Just look at him! He's stepping on an Empire guy! How can you not love that?!? (well I guess if you're the Empire guy you might not ;D )
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Post by sionnach19 on Apr 28, 2009 20:01:15 GMT -5
Hahaha, I like the models/army I think the mix of big ugly monsters is sheer awesomeness. You've done a great job painting them. Have no clue about effectiveness though hahaha, I've never seen the army book. I know the doombull should stay close to the trolls to help them get around their stupidity. I'd try and keep your Shaman somewhere safe, he has all your magical defense with those scrolls and if he goes down I could see some magic heavy armies giving you a very hard time.
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Post by Dr Carnivean on Apr 28, 2009 20:10:59 GMT -5
THe one time I used the list was against Bob back in his Daemonic days and they gave them a run for their money but ultimately succumbed. The doombull was in a big unit of minotaurs and ran over his flesh hounds and then ended up charging his bloodletters and being flanked by his daemonettes, I think. They were just ignoring the doombull and going into the unit, and were ripping the minos apart with their high WS and high strength (bloodletters) attacks, so even with the doombull doing wounds they lost by like 9 and ran and got crossfire killed by his tzeentch chariot. When redoing the list I designed it so that he could go into the trolls unit and give them his leadership on the stupidity tests and also have a unit with him that will be tougher to get wounds off of
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Post by Dr Carnivean on Apr 28, 2009 20:12:23 GMT -5
And thanks for the compliments on the painting
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Post by bob on Apr 28, 2009 20:40:02 GMT -5
I've tried running mine in trolls, and it didn't work out. When the trolls are stupid (Ld 9, so you fail one in six) the doombull becomes worthless. He's in a unit of < 5, so ranged damage will get allocated to him (including spells), and he tends to become a giant target for everything that can shoot. He becomes challenge-bait for character-killers: a lone character will charge the trolls & db, challenge, db can't refuse, db gets abused, trolls lose combat and suddenly have no Ld other than their might four to use and run away and are cut down and die. I cried. I'm also down on having all the eggs in one fragile skirmishing basket of suck. I've been extremely disappointed with the beast-herds, they have low damage output, rank up either too big or too small to get decent rank bonus (if you can only fit < 4 wide, you only rank up 4 wide, so no rank bonus; if you're fighting something that's 5-wide, you have to maximize so end up 7 wide, so get less than ideal rank bonus). Unruly to boot. I like the vitriolic totem with them, as they'll put out a fair number of attacks, think the whole unit with characters will get plowed over and give up way too many points Love the monsters...the shaggoth is a model i'm not fond of, but he sure is mean! Love the trolls, minos (of course!) and the ogres. New beasts book looks like 2010, btw!
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Post by Dr Carnivean on Apr 29, 2009 7:16:03 GMT -5
LOL "fragile basket of suck" - I love that! I think I would start the shaman in the herd in case there are any scouts deployed that could shoot him down turn 1 or 2, then move him out on his own and keep him in the backfield to (attempt to) lend magic support and use his scrolls. in a 2250 army I think I might put in a 10 man unit of pestigors and put the other non-bsb wargor in there. As we talked about on your bsb thread, the doombull is pretty fragile no matter where you stick him. I think maybe what I'll try is to keep him behind the trolls at first and use them as a missile screen and let them use his leadership, then move him around into flanking position once troops start getting in combat. He's a fairly cheap lord character, so I guess it's ok if he's not in combat right away
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Post by g on Apr 29, 2009 22:35:14 GMT -5
I love the painting! and I think I get that sudden love for Giants that Bob, you and Brian are now professing! Is there no shooting in Chaos Warriors typically? Brian only shot javelins from his fast cav, and I don't see any here...
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Post by RodTheCid on Apr 30, 2009 13:55:49 GMT -5
It looks like a very hard hitting army and of course as with all your armies, excellent detailing, although I must admit that the "stepping on empire guy" is not my favorite thing. ;D
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Post by Dr Carnivean on Apr 30, 2009 17:31:11 GMT -5
Nah chaos doesn't shoot for the most part. I think the Centigors can throw spears, the marauders can throw axes or spears, the flamers shoot, and then the warriors of chaos also have the Hellcannon as a rare. Nobody that can shoot has a good ballistic skill (except the flamers and they're rares, so it's really hard to do a shooty army with chaos
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Post by Dr Carnivean on Apr 30, 2009 17:31:32 GMT -5
Chaos Dwarves you can, though
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Post by sean on Apr 30, 2009 19:06:44 GMT -5
I really like the Shaggoth Ive always thought it was really cool. And with the ever increasing preassure to start fantasy Im torn between high elves and warriors of chaos and Im leaning towards the warriors just becasue they can take a Shaggoth.
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Post by bob on Apr 30, 2009 19:17:12 GMT -5
Not to hijack a thread, but warriors are a nice army to start with. They've got such diversity (good magic, good infantry, good cavalry, good monsters, good characters, good magic items) that you can build almost any kind of army you want (except for shooting, of course!). The new models look incredible, and the chaos powers color-schemes give you tons of flexibility in how your army looks!
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Post by sionnach19 on Apr 30, 2009 19:28:43 GMT -5
How many WoC would there be then? 5? Me, Bob, Jason, James, and now Sean... the evil Viking warriors shall overtake Hobbytown! I've always liked a couple different Fantasy armies, but most of the ones I liked weren't that great on the table and the Warriors were brand new, with the added bonus that Bob/Jason owned them but didn't use them as much.
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