Bob's Warriors of Chaos

[bob]

Chaos Mortals are my first love, dating back to 1990 Realms of Chaos. I'm really liking the incredible diversity the new book allows...magic-heavy; frightfully powerful infantry; all mounted; all monsters; etc.

Here's the evolution of the list I've been trying to play. This pushes my model collection to the limit, and sticks to "humans" (if you consider Spawn as mutated humans) and "normal" dogs. The idea is to have a ton of deploys, lots of really hard-hitting units (knights, chariots, warriors) some decent static CR (marauders) and a good amount of flanking/redirecting (spawn, dogs, horsemen). Putting the wizards on Chariots let me fit them both in. With their 7 PD (plus a d3 when I feel brave) they'll have a passable magic phase; and using Buboes they'll be deadly to enemy characters! 4 DD and 2 scrolls is passable defense against most things. Flying BSB lets him go where needed, and he's tough enough to mess up war-machines, solo wizards, or small fast units. Warrior units are small, but their small size will probably help them slip under the radar while enemy worrying about chariots and knights!

Chaos Spawn (1#, 55 Pts)
1 Chaos Spawn @ 55 Pts
Causes Fear; Unbreakable

Chaos Spawn (1#, 55 Pts)
1 Chaos Spawn @ 55 Pts
Causes Fear; Unbreakable

Chaos Knights (5#, 210 Pts)
5 Chaos Knights @ 210 Pts
Musician Mus; Barding; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor; Shield; Causes Fear
5 Chaos Steed @ [0] Pts

Chaos Knights (5#, 210 Pts)
5 Chaos Knights @ 210 Pts
Musician Mus; Barding; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor; Shield; Causes Fear
5 Chaos Steed @ [0] Pts

Marauder Horsemen (5#, 81 Pts)
5 Marauder Horsemen @ 81 Pts
Musician Mus; Hand Weapon; Spear; Throwing Spear; Fast Cavalry
5 Warhorse @ [0] Pts

Marauder Horsemen (5#, 81 Pts)
5 Marauder Horsemen @ 81 Pts
Musician Mus; Hand Weapon; Spear; Throwing Spear; Fast Cavalry
5 Warhorse @ [0] Pts

Chaos Warriors (11#, 203 Pts)
11 ~[(^One or more selected options present a potential usage conflict]×~[(#]Chaos Warriors of Slaanesh @ 203 Pts
Mark of Slaanesh; Musician Mus; Hand Weapon; Halberd; Chaos Armor; Shield

Chaos Warriors (11#, 203 Pts)
11 ~[(^One or more selected options present a potential usage conflict]×~[(#]Chaos Warriors of Slaanesh @ 203 Pts
Mark of Slaanesh; Musician Mus; Hand Weapon; Halberd; Chaos Armor; Shield

Chaos Hounds (5#, 30 Pts)
5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30 Pts

Chaos Hounds (5#, 30 Pts)
5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30 Pts

Chaos Marauders (20#, 142 Pts)
20 Chaos Marauders of Slaanesh @ 142 Pts
Mark of Slaanesh; Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Shield

Chaos Marauders (20#, 142 Pts)
20 Chaos Marauders of Slaanesh @ 142 Pts
Mark of Slaanesh; Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Shield

Sorcerer (3#, 310 Pts)
1 Chaos Sorcerer of Nurgle @ 310 Pts
Mark of Nurgle; Level 2 Upgrade; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor
1 Chaos Chariot @ [100] Pts
Chariot; Scythed Wheels
1 Crew @ [0] Pts
Halberd
2 Chaos Steed @ [0] Pts
1 Dispel Scroll @ [25] Pts
1 Power Familiar @ [25] Pts
1 Conjoined Homunculus @ [20] Pts

Sorcerer (3#, 285 Pts)
1 Chaos Sorcerer of Nurgle @ 285 Pts
General; Mark of Nurgle; Level 2 Upgrade; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor
1 Chaos Chariot @ [100] Pts
Chariot; Scythed Wheels
1 Crew @ [0] Pts
Halberd
2 Chaos Steed @ [0] Pts
1 Dispel Scroll @ [25] Pts
1 Warrior Familiar @ [20] Pts

Exalted Hero (2#, 209 Pts)
1 ~[(^One or more selected options present a potential usage conflict]×~[(#]Exalted Hero of Tzeentch (Battle Standard Bearer) @ 209 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Hand Weapon; Halberd; Chaos Armor; Battle Standard Bearer
1 Disc of Tzeentch @ [20] Pts
Flaming Attacks; Causes Fear; Flyer
1 Enchanted Shield @ [15] Pts
1 Collar of Khorne @ [25] Pts

Total Roster Cost: 2246

[shasoevan]

This seems like a very good list. I will need to face it in some time.

[dante]

yeah cant wait to get some more figs

[bob]

Valkia (1#, 410 Pts)
1 Valkia the Bloody @ 410 Pts
General; Causes Fear; Flyer
1 Daemonshield @ [0] Pts
1 The Scarlet Armour @ [0] Pts
1 The Spear Slaupnir @ [0] Pts

Throgg (1#, 175 Pts)
1 The Troll King Throgg @ 175 Pts
Causes Fear; Regenerate

Chaos Marauders (11#, 69 Pts)
11 Chaos Marauders of Slaanesh @ 69 Pts
Mark of Slaanesh; Musician Mus; Hand Weapon; Flail

Chaos Hounds (5#, 30 Pts)
5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30 Pts

Chaos Hounds (5#, 30 Pts)
5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30 Pts

Chaos Hounds (5#, 30 Pts)
5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30 Pts

Chaos Trolls (3#, 135 Pts)
3 Trolls @ 135 Pts
Causes Fear; Regenerate; Stupid

Chaos Trolls (3#, 135 Pts)
3 Trolls @ 135 Pts
Causes Fear; Regenerate; Stupid

Chaos Trolls (3#, 135 Pts)
3 Trolls @ 135 Pts
Causes Fear; Regenerate; Stupid

Chaos Trolls (3#, 135 Pts)
3 Trolls @ 135 Pts
Causes Fear; Regenerate; Stupid

Chaos Trolls (3#, 135 Pts)
3 Trolls @ 135 Pts
Causes Fear; Regenerate; Stupid

Chaos Trolls (3#, 135 Pts)
3 Trolls @ 135 Pts
Causes Fear; Regenerate; Stupid

Chaos Trolls (3#, 135 Pts)
3 Trolls @ 135 Pts
Causes Fear; Regenerate; Stupid

Sorcerer (3#, 290 Pts)
1 Chaos Sorcerer of Nurgle @ 290 Pts
Mark of Nurgle; Level 2 Upgrade; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor
1 Chaos Chariot @ [100] Pts
Chariot; Scythed Wheels
1 Crew @ [0] Pts
Halberd
2 Chaos Steed @ [0] Pts
1 Dispel Scroll @ [25] Pts
1 Power Familiar @ [25] Pts

Sorcerer (3#, 270 Pts)
1 Chaos Sorcerer of Nurgle @ 270 Pts
Mark of Nurgle; Level 2 Upgrade; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor
1 Chaos Chariot @ [100] Pts
Chariot; Scythed Wheels
1 Crew @ [0] Pts
Halberd
2 Chaos Steed @ [0] Pts
1 Blood of Tzeentch @ [30] Pts

Total Roster Cost: 2249

[shasoevan]

Is this the list you used tonight? Or just another list you made up?

[RodTheCid]

oh boy, those are a lot of stupidity tests, does the Troll King help on those tests?

[sionnach19]

That troll list is obscene I wish I could field that, I absolutely love the trolls.

[bob]

He let's them use his Ld, and allows rerolls of break tests (kind of a mini-general/bsb in one). Otherwise, no, they're all taking stupid tests

[bob]

I've had a dragon model for a long time.





(Yes, he needs a real base still.)

I've only gotten to use it once, using the "get you by" Warriors list from White Dwarf last summer. He was a blast to use, and I hate him sitting around collecting dust, so made up a list to use him. It's not soft, but not horrible either...scores 2100 on "the comp score".

Chaos Lord (2#, 720 Pts)
1 Chaos Lord of Tzeentch @ 720 Pts
General; Mark of Tzeentch; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor
1 Chaos Dragon @ [x] Pts
Causes Terror; Flyer; Large Target; Scaly Skin
1 Sword of Might @ [x] Pts
1 Chaos Runeshield @ [x] Pts
1 Collar of Khorne @ [x] Pts
1 Favour of the Gods @ [x] Pts
1 Word of Agony @ [x] Pts

Exalted Hero (2#, 229 Pts)
1 ~[(^One or more selected options present a potential usage conflict]×~[(#]Exalted Hero of Tzeentch (Battle Standard Bearer) @ 229 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Hand Weapon; Halberd; Chaos Armor; Battle Standard Bearer
1 Disc of Tzeentch @ [x] Pts
Flaming Attacks; Causes Fear; Flyer
1 Enchanted Shield @ [x] Pts
1 Golden Eye of Tzeentch @ [x] Pts
1 Bloodcurdling Roar @ [x] Pts

Sorcerer (2#, 210 Pts)
1 Chaos Sorcerer of Tzeentch @ 210 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Level 2 Upgrade; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor
1 Disc of Tzeentch @ [x] Pts
Flaming Attacks; Causes Fear; Flyer
1 Dispel Scroll @ [x] Pts
1 Power Familiar @ [x] Pts

Chaos Warriors (11#, 204 Pts)
11 Chaos Warriors of Slaanesh @ 204 Pts
Mark of Slaanesh; Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor; Shield

Chaos Warriors (11#, 204 Pts)
11 Chaos Warriors of Slaanesh @ 204 Pts
Mark of Slaanesh; Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor; Shield

Marauder Horsemen (5#, 81 Pts)
5 Marauder Horsemen @ 81 Pts
Musician Mus; Hand Weapon; Spear; Throwing Spear; Fast Cavalry
5 Warhorse @ [0] Pts

Marauder Horsemen (5#, 81 Pts)
5 Marauder Horsemen @ 81 Pts
Musician Mus; Hand Weapon; Spear; Throwing Spear; Fast Cavalry
5 Warhorse @ [0] Pts

Chaos Spawn (1#, 55 Pts)
1 Chaos Spawn @ 55 Pts
Causes Fear; Unbreakable

Chaos Spawn (1#, 55 Pts)
1 Chaos Spawn @ 55 Pts
Causes Fear; Unbreakable

Chaos Hounds (5#, 30 Pts)
5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30 Pts

Chaos Hounds (5#, 30 Pts)
5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30 Pts

Chaos Chariot (3#, 120 Pts)
1 Chaos Chariot @ 120 Pts
Chariot; Scythed Wheels
2 Crew @ [0] Pts
Halberd
2 Chaos Steed @ [0] Pts

Chaos Ogres (4#, 230 Pts)
4 Ogres @ 230 Pts
Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Great Weapon; Chaos Armor; Causes Fear

Total Roster Cost: 2249

[sionnach19]

I like this most recent one, some solid heros and with all the dogs/horsemen/spawn you have plenty of deploys and distraction units.

I feel you lack any solid "static" combat resolution, the warrior units are tough but lack the numbers/ranks that they would need to provide a good anvil. Alternatively, the Dragon Lord is your main hammer. The Chariot should also do a decent job at causing some hurt, but I'm not sold on the Ogres. I think some Knights could do better, but that could just be me (or go with the Trolls! )

I would say maybe dropping some of your cheap/distractionary units to free up more points may help you out in buffing the Warriors numbers or adding another anvil unit. It's tough with so many points being invested in your Lord, but... perhaps the BSB isn't in your best interest? Dropping him may give you some leeway elsewhere, some units may complement the list better than a flying BSB.

Just some of my ramblings, as it is it's still a pretty tough list!

[dante]

I hate trolls... lol =D They seem like they could be a match for an Ogre so thats bad news for my boys. Kinda a cool picture to paint in ones head a troll and Ogre with fighting gloves, UFC anyone?!?!?!

[bob]

The warriors are intentionally small...they look pretty unobtrusive, and there are scarier targets for enemy to deal with (chariot, dragon, bsb, ogres)...but consider the 6-wide goes are going to dish out 12 attacks, 9 hits, 4.5 wounds + rank and flag = win!

The Ogres I think are a blast, I'd rather not have a flag but needed it to improve the comp score (which is killed by the dragon and other fliers). Still, four M6 guys with three S6 attacks and 4+as is pretty potent...with the flag they can win combats on their own, or definately if the BSB does his job and gets off the long-ranged lateral combo-charges I want him for.

The BSB is kitted out to get folks to shoot at him and shrug it off. With 1+AS and 3++ ward vs. shooting, he'll laugh off almost all attacks, and has the flying to avoid the things i'd rather not get hit by (cannons, etc). His roar lets him pick on high-armour units for a kill here and there to soften things up, and his massive speed allows him to combo-charge with chariot or ogres, warriors, or go pick on warmachine crew. Having the banner and the halberd lets him rip through non-ranked units and have a bit of static CR to help win (it counteracts the outnumber, and he should kill off things in btb, so he wins).

The dragon and lord are tooled up to go hit enemy characters...the shield taking away advantages, favour ensuring a favorable EoG roll, and word of agony helping take down the really big meanies. Rawr!

The horsemen, spawn, and warhounds are there to tie things up.

The chariot is there to threaten, I've little illusion about it making it in to a fight unmolested, but if it does, great! 2 S4 horses and four S5 Warrior attacks on top of impact hits make for a fearsome machine! I'd really wanted two, but more than one is a comp hit

The flying tzeentch wizard i'm not sure on. I like the tzeentch #1 and #6 spells, but none others. If he gets the 6, great, otherwise he's stuck with spells I'm not fond of...I'm considering replacing him with a nurgle guy on the chariot, which frees up some points for...something, not sure

[g]

can you really field all those Trolls?
would you be penalized comp-wise in doing so?

[bob]

I don't have that many trolls, no...but could use minos as 'proxy'.

The comp rules I'm pretty certain assume no special characters, so that list breaks the scoring system...Throgg allows taking trolls as core.

[sionnach19]

Hm, sound explanation. That flying BSB is actually really cool, has some nifty stuff there that could make him a game changer.

As for your wizard, I think Nurgle would be a better lore to consider. The Tzeentch ones are at the extreme, even if you got Gateway what are the odds of successfully casting it at such a low level? Nurgle has some better mid range abilities that I think will serve your lower level wizard better... the Tzeentch Lore is dependent on synergy, I think a lot of Tzeentch wizards could be very potent dropping leadership values and wreaking havoc but with only one I believe Nurgle would be more reliable. Bubos is also a fantastic spell, if you save it till the end of your magic phase most enemies don't have the dispell dice to handle it and you can score easy wounds on heros or champions, etc.