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Post by shaneymania on Oct 21, 2016 19:52:43 GMT -5
If we want to start off small, Muskets and Tomahawks might be a good start - as little as 20-30 models. www.studio-tomahawk.com/gb_mousquets-et-tomahawks.phpSharpe Practice 2, would be a level up, roughly sixty to a hundred figs on each side I believe. Then after that, Black Powder, which can handle hundreds of figs on each side. It can work smaller too, of course. By the way, meant to say, one of the conventions Black Powder uses is diffent sizes of units, tiny, small, regular and large. I suggest regular size units are 20 men, e.g. 5 bases of 4 men each. We can always increase that to 24 if we want.
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Post by Randy on Oct 21, 2016 21:14:04 GMT -5
All sounds good. Tom, I have already started to look into making terrain so yes I am up for it. Vince and I will be at the shop around 11 tomorrow.
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Post by shaneymania on Oct 21, 2016 21:18:40 GMT -5
See you tomorrow!
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Post by Randy on Oct 24, 2016 9:10:11 GMT -5
Shane and I met and talked over the AWI. Shane decided it was a terrible idea to start this game and wants to bring back Hail Caesar instead. I am all in for Hail Caesar. Sorry Tom.
Actually we did talk about playing Hail Caesar until the AWI stuff is ready to go. Shane and I talked about terrain and stuff but I never decided on an army. Shane was too busy picking out terrain for his "O" scale railroad. Next time I am there we can go over what army I will play.
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Post by shaneymania on Oct 24, 2016 10:58:55 GMT -5
Wise guy! I can't wait to start playing AWI - I started building my Brit models for it yesterday, they're pretty unique builds, I might make a short guide, although perhaps the Colonials are ordered differently.
Hail Caesar - happy to play a game, although I think I'm going to need to order some more command models before I can play. I guess I can proxy until then.
And it's N Scale - ya heathen!
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Post by Randy on Oct 24, 2016 11:49:54 GMT -5
Oh right, N for No Lindsey, don't write that down.
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Post by shaneymania on Oct 24, 2016 21:45:22 GMT -5
Quick observation - I know we discussed Litko bases, and basing four line infantry together, but unlike the Ancients, and Napoleonic models I've built, these AWI ones do come with their own 20mm bases. Might be worth just using them.
On top of that, again, unlike other models we are familiar with, these guys don't have any base tabs - just bare feet. This means you've got to stick something to their feet to hold while painting. I just put a tiny dab of glue on one foot and attached them to a base, but now I'm thinking I might just keep them there…
Also, I find it interesting how the Brits and Continentals have different command set-ups. The Brits have two flag ensigns, a line sergeant and one musician. The Colonials have one flag ensign, two musicians and a light sergeant! Both have two officers per unit, which again, I'm not used to.
I could really get into this...
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Post by captainecho on Oct 25, 2016 8:14:58 GMT -5
First of All randy is evil. That picture from our Market Garden game with him doing a Dr. Evil impression in the background is proof of that. I'm thinking I'm going to paint them all on old film cannisters or wooden dowels for handling purposes, and then put them on the bases? I like the 4 to a base because It would make them easier to move. Am I wrong? Randy had that pattern with his Dacians and I thought the A. looked awesome and B. were easy to shift or change formation with.
What do you think?
I've been going through the box of Colonial infantry and you get a LOT of options for heads, positions, clothing, its pretty cool. I need to do some more research on how these units were organized.
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Post by shaneymania on Oct 25, 2016 11:22:32 GMT -5
Totally hear you on the bases - ultimately, as long as we are all using the same frontage measurements, the material itself doesn't matter. I'm tempted to use the bases provided, but attach them in groups of four to a thin piece of card or something. It defintiely makes them easier to maneuver. Randy has some really nice movement trays too, which could be cool, although that might hinder changing formation, which is a key element of playing the era. You're right, these models have a LOT of options. They're certainly more fiddly than anything I've worked with recently. They're also pretty nuanced with the uniforms - when I got into Naps, I really did stress about making sure every little detail is correct, and of course, things I didn't even know about, ended up being wrong, but it's ok, just dive in. Based on this image, here's how the Continental line infantry is organized: (I) Infantryman (F) Flag (O) Officer (M) Musician (L) Light Infantry/Skirmisher (I)(I) (I)(I) (I)(M) (M)(I) (I)(I) (I)(I) (I)(I) (I)(I) (I)(O) (F)(I) (I)(I) (I)(I) (O) (L) (L) (L) (L) (L) I don't see a Sergeant, although the Warlord product page says one is included - maybe the guide shows which model he is, or maybe the Continentals don't use them - same in Naps, the Brits have them, but nobody else does.
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Post by Randy on Oct 25, 2016 14:37:35 GMT -5
Yes, I am evil, problem with that? I have the Dacians on 40mm squares but only three to a square. The Dacians are a hoard army and three per base looked more like a hoard attack. It also saved money on models. The movement trays are very helpful. The bases are in the tray loose so to change to a marching formation you just have to turn the bases 90 degrees in the tray.
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Post by Randy on Oct 27, 2016 8:02:08 GMT -5
I was looking through the Black Powder book. I just want see if we are on the same page on a few things.
Are we doing standard unit sizes? Infantry 24 to 30 models Cavalry 12 to 16 models Artillery 1 gun and crew
Bases Infantry: 20mm x 20mm or 40mm x 40mm block Cavalry: 25mm x 50mm or 50mm x 50mm block Artillery: As required
Are we using the stats from pages 114 - 115?
UPDATE! I see on page 176 Template troops. Should we follow that?
UPERDATE! The Rebellion book has stats for each command and or battle. Too much info, head spinning....
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Post by crow2006007 on Nov 2, 2016 10:16:27 GMT -5
So while I am not 100% in I did pick up the the black powder book and the rebellion book. Overall the rules look pretty flexible to the game group you are playing with which is a nice change. Also the book is really detailed which is nice well worth the cost
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Post by shaneymania on Nov 2, 2016 10:41:50 GMT -5
So everyone is on the same page, this is what Tom and I agreed to do:
Skirmishers go on single 20mm square bases, 4 line infantry go on a 40mm square base, and 2 cavalry go on a square 50mm base. In Black Powder at least, commanders are more markers than combat models, the rules say you can put them on any base. I have mine on the big ones, then you make more of a modeling scene.
We'll start with 20-man units as a standard unit, so 5 bases of 4. We can always upgrade to 24 or 28 man units once we get enough models. I also think starting with 2-unit brigades as a minimum makes sense.
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Post by Randy on Nov 2, 2016 13:11:36 GMT -5
Come on Brandon, join the dark side
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Post by RodTheCid on Nov 23, 2016 16:09:18 GMT -5
wow, it seems that you all reach the point of no-return HAHAHA
Eventhough everything looks very intersting, I don't think I'll be able to join you for this one, but definitely very interested to watch a game, will try to follow this closely
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